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Pepsico
02-01-06, 01:26 AM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2064887/detail.html

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Saddam Reportedly Given Key To Detroit

POSTED: 8:17 a.m. EST March 26, 2003
UPDATED: 10:00 a.m. EST March 26, 2003

DETROIT -- Years before Saddam Hussein became an enemy to the United States, he was reportedly seen as a friend and made an honorary Detroit citizen.

In 1980 when Saddam was on good terms with the United States, he gave money to fund the Sacred Heart Chaldean Church in Detroit, Local 4 reported. The Rev. Jacob Yasso said he will never forget Saddam's offer when he asked about the church's debt.

"He said, 'How much is it?' I said, '$170,000,'" Yasso said about his conversation with Saddam. "Then he replied, 'We will pay it off for you.'"

Saddam turned to his secretary-general and gave the church $200,000, Yasso said. The money reportedly helped build the Chaldean Center of America located on Seven Mile Road next to the Sacred Heart Chaldean Church, which received an earlier Saddam gift of $250,000, the station reported.

More Iraqi money reportedly went to other churches around Detroit and around the country.

Yasso has photographs of the 1980 meeting in Baghdad inside the presidential palace. At the time of the meeting, Saddam was reportedly seen as more of a friend than a foe. He was a man who could check the spread of extremism in neighboring Iran, the station reported.

"He's a different person," Yasso said. "Why? Ask his conscience. Because what he did to the country ... three wars ... Iran, Kuwait and now."

The Chaldean Center houses the church offices, a Chaldean cultural museum and a school that teaches English. Many people who fled Iraq to start a new life in the United States reportedly now benefit from the place he helped build.

Yasso reportedly took criticism for accepting the gift years ago, but said it came with no strings attached and he has no regrets.

"I could do something for the history. Build something for the people," Yasso said.

"I said, 'Mr. President, I have a gift from the mayor of Detroit for you. The key of the city of Detroit. Offiically you are an honorary citizen of Detroit,'" Yasso said.

To the relief of Yasso and the city, Saddam never used the key, Local 4 reported.

mikesova
02-01-06, 08:23 AM
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2064887/detail.html

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not really...

Blisters
02-01-06, 08:46 AM
The funny thing is how Donald Rumsfeld and Ronald Reagan sold tons of chemical and biological weapons to Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and approved of his gassing Kurds and other mass atrocities that he committed with the WMDs that we sold to him.

Isn't it precious how GW Bush turned around and then declared Saddam Hussein a butcher, without ever saying a word about the complicity of Rumsfeld and Reagan?

TheWho
02-01-06, 08:54 AM
The funny thing is how Donald Rumsfeld and Ronald Reagan sold tons of chemical and biological weapons to Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and approved of his gassing Kurds and other mass atrocities that he committed with the WMDs that we sold to him.

Isn't it precious how GW Bush turned around and then declared Saddam Hussein a butcher, without ever saying a word about the complicity of Rumsfeld and Reagan?
Wow. You like to sneak your bashings into every thread don't ya? :lol: There is a car thread about oil changes in the General Forum. The thread has the word oil in it so you could go bash in there too.

Blisters
02-01-06, 08:55 AM
Wow. You like to sneak your bashings into every thread don't ya? :lol: There is a car thread about oil changes in the General Forum. The thread has the word oil in it so you could go bash in there too.
No sneaking involved, boy.

TheWho
02-01-06, 09:01 AM
lol boy? :rolleyes:

Hurry Blisters before its to late.
http://www.thecentralword.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18831

Kuma
02-01-06, 01:01 PM
He brought up a valid debate point on a thread that was originally intended (I assume) as a joke. Is there harm in that? It was pertinent and related...In the 80s, Saddam was considered a close ally whom we supported as a counter to Iran's Khamenhi. Under Reagan, we also supported the Taliban as they fought against Russia in Afghanistan. America has a long history of lending financial support to any mercenary force we can get to do our dirty work done abroad, without involving our own military directly. America enforces its vision upon the world in just this way even today.

Let me draw you a complicated analogy.

-The United States lent money to military resistance forces in foreign lands. This was/is considered to be legal.
-American politicians and political parties have a history of accepting campaign contributions from foreign interests.
-An American sending money to an Arab political party today will be charged with aiding terrorism, for sending financial support to that region and its terrorist inhabitants.
-Does this then mean that it would be legal for these foreign interest to lend financial support to armed resistance groups?

TheWho
02-01-06, 01:32 PM
He brought up a valid debate point on a thread that was originally intended (I assume) as a joke. Is there harm in that?
Yeah, its called hijacking. Validate debate? Of course. It can be debated. But go make another thread about it. Hell, he has tons of radical threads already. Add another one to the list.

Kuma
02-01-06, 03:24 PM
Yeah, its called hijacking. Validate debate? Of course. It can be debated. But go make another thread about it. Hell, he has tons of radical threads already. Add another one to the list.Then perhaps it was just posted on the wrong forum.

TheWho
02-01-06, 03:27 PM
Then perhaps it was just posted on the wrong forum.
Yeah, more of a General Word thing but political in the same sense. :shrug: Not everything in the political forum has to be a yelling match. It can be interesting or funny stuff too.

Kuma
02-01-06, 03:33 PM
Yeah, more of a General Word thing but political in the same sense. :shrug: Not everything in the political forum has to be a yelling match. It can be interesting or funny stuff too.I agree wholeheartedly, but the point here is that the story, funny as it might seem, does indeed point towards a very relevant and disturbing set of facts about the way America treats its "allies" and how America spreads its influence across the globe, as well as what makes an individual, group, or nation an "ally" of the United States.

I never intended to start a yelling match. Neither did Blisters, at least I don't think he did.

I've pointed out what makes this story disturbing to me. Since I fail to find it, could you please point out what it is about it that you find so funny?

Muse
02-01-06, 03:35 PM
Yeah, more of a General Word thing but political in the same sense. :shrug: Not everything in the political forum has to be a yelling match. It can be interesting or funny stuff too.

This really isn't a difficult concept. If you post in the Political/debate word, expect your thread to get political commentary or inspire debate. Blisters didn't yell anything at anyone. He made a political comment on a thread in the ... ~drumroll~ Politica/Debate forum. As for hijacking, your own comments lent more weight to that than Blisters.

Blisters comment goes to the heart of the hypocritical view some Republicans have about democracy. The popular thought is okay, so long as 'good' is being done. But as soon as democracy evokes an idea or action that Republicans don't like, it has to be relabelled into something else. Face facts - democracy does not ever guarantee the best outcome. It gives power to the majority, which means you will regularly come up with mediocre solutions. It was okay to give Hussein weapons when we liked him and agreed with his views; now we sweep that under the rug.

Jrod
02-01-06, 05:12 PM
An honorary citizen of the City of Detroit. Wow. Just what Detroit needs.

centralgrl83
02-01-06, 06:53 PM
Well, if it's true, good for him. However, it doesnt make up for all the people he gassed and killed.

Kuma
02-02-06, 01:20 AM
Well, if it's true, good for him. However, it doesnt make up for all the people he gassed and killed.Sounds to me like he'd fit right in to the Detroit scene.